People often think of infrastructure as merely physical assets, but they are the outcome of cultural preferences and how we generate knowledge. In this episode, Professor Mikhail Chester (@mikhailchester) of Arizona State University interviews Professor Thaddeus Miller (@Thad_Miller) of University of Massachusetts Amherst about infrastructure governance, the knowledge systems embedded in organizations and governance networks, and the values or assumptions built into those systems. We also hear about complexity and future problems, as well as the importance of transdisciplinary knowledge co-generation to solve problems in the Anthropocene. The Infrastructure and the Anthropocene Forum took place from December 7-9, 2020 and was moderated by Prof. Mikhail Chester of Arizona State University. The forum was hosted by the Infrastructure Misfits and Arizona State University's Metis Center for Infrastructure and Sustainable Engineering. See the whole Infrastructure and the Anthropocene playlist on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvz_faOzavaSD40LmDr4RknZZxWAVqwGp Infrastructure Misfits (un)Society: http://www.infrastructurecomplexity.org/ Metis Center for Infrastructure and Sustainable Engineering | Arizona State University: https://metis.asu.edu/. Listen on iTunes, StitcherGoogle Podcasts, Spotify, or Buzzsprout. If you have questions, comments, or suggestions for future episodes, e-mail us at [email protected] or find us on Twitter @FutureCitiesPod. Learn more about the Urban Resilience to Extremes Sustainability Research Network (UREx SRN) at www.sustainability.asu.edu/urbanresilience.